Lesbians parents of 3 kids denied family admission rate at pool because they're not a

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POCATELLO - A same-sex couple and their three foster children were denied a reduced admission price to a pool in eastern Idaho because the Lava Hot Springs State Foundation says the five don't fit the definition of a family.

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Mark Lowe, executive director for the Lava Hot Springs State Foundation, says the state doesn't recognize gay or lesbian marriage and defines a family as one male, one female and children.

He says as a state agency the foundation must follow Idaho law.

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You can't really argue with what he says. He runs the place, so what he says goes.

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what it comes down to is that guy is just being a dick.

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squallumz said:

what it comes down to is that guy is just being a dick.

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I agree.

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The guy's a fucking asshole but, if it is true that Idaho doesn't recognise same-sex marriage, then he has de law by his side :dunno:

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I don't know why people have to be such assholes about things like this

I just do not understand why people are so phobic about this, who really cares?

or is it the religious nuts that are bringing this bullshit on?


morons

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The guy is right. If Idaho law doesn't recognize them as married, then they have to follow the law, like everyone else. However, the family also has a right, the right to not give them their money, the right to challenge the law, the right to file law suits. I don't really care about the gay issue, my question is this, what if a father came with his 3 kids, and no mother was in the picture. What if a couple of young kids were being raised by their grandparents, or older siblings? If those people are denied too, then it is what it is.

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yeah yeah, the law on his side blah blah. the thing is, we're talking about a few bucks here. why make a big scene in front of the kids, the other peoples' kids, and other families there too. for the sake of the business and coming from a manager as well, its in the best interest of the business and atmosphere to let them go on and explain it (if you have to) to the owner or manager of the park. thats just no way to run a business.

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A same-sex couple and their three foster children were denied a reduced admission price to a pool in eastern Idaho because the Lava Hot Springs State Foundation says the five don't fit the definition of a family.

Definition of a family what the hell is this shit, last time I heard a family was just a group of loving parents and children, its 2009 these people need to get with times its not little house on the prairie anymore things are changing

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I think the owner's a dick, but that he should have the right to be a dick.

Just like we have a right not to patronize his business.

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TwatDetective said:

I think the owner's a dick, but that he should have the right to be a dick.

Just like we have a right not to patronize his business.

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Doesn't give him the right to exclude people because they don't meet his so called definition of a family but than its the rules what can you do?

Mark Lowe, executive director for the Lava Hot Springs State Foundation, says the state doesn't recognize gay or lesbian marriage and defines a family as one male, one female and children.

if I was them I would have just lied and said we were just friends taking our kids out.

bullshit in my opinion

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TwatDetective said:

I think the owner's a dick, but that he should have the right to be a dick.

Just like we have a right not to patronize his business.

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Exactly. So this family didn't get some relatively meaningless discount...so what? Why go public with it and make it a big scene, you know? All that does is tell me that the adults who brought this to the public's eye are nothing but attention loving cry-babies who think they are some important shit to this world.

Boo-fucking-hoo...go somewhere else if you really care about getting a family discount. Don't shine a negative light on somebody's business and somebody's career just because you didn't get 5% off of your precious admission to a community swimming pool.

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ChefChiTown said:

Exactly. So this family didn't get some relatively meaningless discount...so what? Why go public with it and make it a big scene, you know? All that does is tell me that the adults who brought this to the public's eye are nothing but attention loving cry-babies who think they are some important shit to this world.

Boo-fucking-hoo...go somewhere else if you really care about getting a family discount. Don't shine a negative light on somebody's business and somebody's career just because you didn't get 5% off of your precious admission to a community swimming pool.

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Good point

The will go to the public about it because they will look at it as discrimination and want everyone to feel sorry for them and hopefully change the laws in the future.

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TwatDetective said:

.....but that he should have the right to be a dick.

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So, by that logic, if he's a dick who happens not to accept blacks, hispanics, people with tattoos, tall people, foreigners, etc as "families", that's OK too???

Being a dick is fine....if that were a crime, we'd all be in jail. :1orglaugh

Being a bigot is another matter....not OK. This is going to sound really stupid to ask after some 5,000 years of civilization being under out belts, but when are people going to understand that people are people?

:dunno::dunno:

Seems pretty fucking basic to me.

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I hate to hear or see things like that but it is the way of the world to me it is not a color thing any more it is weather you are gay,lesbians,or stright.Right now in Memphis there are laws trying to be passed for gay and lesbians to have rights or a better chance i should say to get a job.It seems to be another civil Rihts movement in which I have no problem with but it is sad and then again he owns the place and he is following rules.Still again it is sad :2 cents:

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revidffum said:

The guy is right. If Idaho law doesn't recognize them as married, then they have to follow the law, like everyone else. However, the family also has a right, the right to not give them their money, the right to challenge the law, the right to file law suits. I don't really care about the gay issue, my question is this, what if a father came with his 3 kids, and no mother was in the picture. What if a couple of young kids were being raised by their grandparents, or older siblings? If those people are denied too, then it is what it is.

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These are good points. The family does have a lot of rights, including the right to complain. Isn't there a great Thomas Jefferson quote about being given just the first amendment, he'd get all the others back...?

TwatDetective said:

I think the owner's a dick, but that he should have the right to be a dick.

Just like we have a right not to patronize his business.

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Also true, though we also have the right to patronize his business. I'd say his actions deserve it, unless doing otherwise would have got him in trouble (that is to say, if he suffered in some way from giving them the discount anyway).

ChefChiTown said:

Exactly. So this family didn't get some relatively meaningless discount...so what? Why go public with it and make it a big scene, you know? All that does is tell me that the adults who brought this to the public's eye are nothing but attention loving cry-babies who think they are some important shit to this world.

Boo-fucking-hoo...go somewhere else if you really care about getting a family discount. Don't shine a negative light on somebody's business and somebody's career just because you didn't get 5% off of your precious admission to a community swimming pool.

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Chef, we've talked at great length on this topic (more or less), and while you've said repeatedly that you aren't against sexual minority rights, you consistently oppose any movements to obtain them. Against progress, if I can say that without insulting connotation (as I don't mean any!). I don't understand it.

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What if it was a man and a woman with children and they were not married? (Brad and Angelina for example) They would still be counted as a family. Just because the law says that the two women can't marry it doesn't mean that they still aren't a family. This is just straight up bullshit.

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Not a problem I have ever had to deal with, but...
You can stick to a rule if you need an excuse to avoid doing something you don't want to do.
I have always made a point to my little one that first you do what's right; then, if you're lucky, you do what you want and it's the same thing.
But...always do the right thing, and in this case the right thing was to welcome the family as a family, give them a discount which isn't a reward but an acknowledgment of a family unit, and fuck the rule which has no moral meaning.
Fifty years ago I got shit for ignoring the order of things (I would go to a "colored" water fountain and get a drink of water), but I wasn't the only one ignoring stupid stuff that was the "rule", but was stupid stuff.
We live in a better world today than the world 50 years ago, and only if we participate in it (by doing what's right) does it keep on improving.
I don't like gay...I don't like green pants...I don't like lots of things...but that's not important in the greater scheme of things. Only to me...so I won't wear green pants or suck dick.
Gay people are my family as much as any other human walking the planet, and all things being equal, they are...
People.
Equal.
The guy was/is a major asshole, and will have to explain his decision to an unforgiving God on Judgment Day (let us hope!).
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Rattrap said:

Chef, we've talked at great length on this topic (more or less), and while you've said repeatedly that you aren't against sexual minority rights, you consistently oppose any movements to obtain them. Against progress, if I can say that without insulting connotation (as I don't mean any!). I don't understand it.

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Just because I don't picket with homosexuals that are protesting for equal rights doesn't mean that I'm opposing them.

Do you want to know what the reality of this whole "issue" is with this story? It's about a few meaningless dollars. That's it. It's not about minority rights. It's not about homosexuals being discriminated against. It's not about if lesbian parents with adoptive children should be considered a family or not. It's about a few fucking dollars.

But, since these cry-baby adults felt like taking this public and making a big deal out of it, people will look at this situation as some sort of civil rights issue. Even though the Executive Director of the foundation cleared up the whole entire issue...

Mark Lowe, executive director for the Lava Hot Springs State Foundation, says the state doesn't recognize gay or lesbian marriage and defines a family as one male, one female and children.

He says as a state agency the foundation must follow Idaho law.

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...people are still going to make this all about minority and civil rights.

People just want to bitch and bitch and bitch about shit that is so fucking meaningless in the long run. So this family didn't save a few dollars at a swimming pool? So fucking what, you know? This whole civil rights bullshit is getting way out of hand and is, ironically, doing nothing but seperating everybody even more. This is just one of many, many examples (from the US alone) that can be added to the list. In all reality, it's ridiculous for these people to complain about this and it's even more ridiculous for them to make it public. It needs to stop, seriously.

Hey, here's an idea...

Since we, as a society, are going to take ridiculous claims of discrimination seriously, why not bitch about Ladies' Night, you know?

Thursday night is "Ladies' Night" at most bars, so why don't I cause a big ruckus, bitch and moan about how that discriminates against me, as a male, because I don't get cheaper drinks.

But, that's just silly, right? I mean, it's just cheaper drinks, you know? Well...it's just a few dollars at a community swimming pool too.

:2 cents:

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revidffum said:

I don't really care about the gay issue, my question is this, what if a father came with his 3 kids, and no mother was in the picture. What if a couple of young kids were being raised by their grandparents, or older siblings? If those people are denied too, then it is what it is.

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This is an interesting thought because it does make it seem this state worker will now take it upon himself to be "marriage police" at the ticket office. If 2 buddies take their kids for a swim, they, too, should not qualify for the discount either. :dunno:

Interesting...