Chillout1984

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Yeah causing unintentional issues with them that you could try to justify is different then hitting on Camille. That would be intentionally harming the relationship with no way to excuse that behavior.
True, but at the start of the game you still have the choice that MC tries to repent for his past actions (like the route where you try to get back with Ally and she gives you that chance), or go complete asshole. In the former situation, he would never try that with Camille. In the latter however imo he would definitely try that because he stopped thinking with his brain and only with his dick. Luckily it seems that so far only 1 route is a "complete asshole route" while in all the others he still tries to be a (semi) good guy.
 

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True, but at the start of the game you still have the choice that MC tries to repent for his past actions (like the route where you try to get back with Ally and she gives you that chance), or go complete asshole. In the former situation, he would never try that with Camille. In the latter however imo he would definitely try that because he stopped thinking with his brain and only with his dick. Luckily it seems that so far only 1 route is a "complete asshole route" while in all the others he still tries to be a (semi) good guy.
Even full asshole he doesn't strike me as someone to intentionally hurt his friends' relationship especially when one of them is going out of his way to help him save his daughter's life.

The most I can see him doing is jokingly flirting with her that possibly goes awkward/makes things uncomfortable if his asshole score is high or being laughed off as a joke by everyone if he's improving as a person.
 

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True, but at the start of the game you still have the choice that MC tries to repent for his past actions (like the route where you try to get back with Ally and she gives you that chance), or go complete asshole. In the former situation, he would never try that with Camille. In the latter however imo he would definitely try that because he stopped thinking with his brain and only with his dick. Luckily it seems that so far only 1 route is a "complete asshole route" while in all the others he still tries to be a (semi) good guy.
Hey! Don't blame the MC just because a player is a cunt.
 
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Krytax123

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I know that the mc is an asshole before the game starts but is he really such a massive piece of shit that he'd hit on the wife of his best friend and intentionally try to harm the relationship of the only people who decided to stick by him after his divorce?
To be clear, i would hate the possibility of banging coopers wife behind his back and consider the mc a unredeemable asshole if it would happen.

But to be fair: Its indeed possible to play the mc as a hyper asshole like for example blaming a utterly distressed allison for the accidant with lily lol. No matter how much someone dislikes her, thats pure unnecessary evil asshole behavior lol. Or its possible to be really creepy about and towards the students in the messages
 
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Chillout1984

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To be clear, i would hate the possibility of banging coopers wife behind his back and consider the mc a unredeemable asshole if it would happen.
I wouldn't hate it myself if it's only possible on a hyper asshole route, as long as it can't happen on a "good guy" route.

With every AVN there is with that possibility (as long as it's still possible to have sex), I usually go for the hyper asshole first. I just like to see the worst my MC can do before I do the more "normal" routes, and this game is no exception.
 

DivineMachine

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Not gonna lie, anyone that wants to do our boy Cooper dirty like that gotta be some type of idiot irl as well. Any game where you can be evil or a scumbag needs to convince me and immerse me first in order to make sense or at least in some way make it justifiable to do something "bad". Cooper doesn't give you a single good reason for it and mc doesn't come out like that kind of degen to do something like that.
 

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Not gonna lie, anyone that wants to do our boy Cooper dirty like that gotta be some type of idiot irl as well. Any game where you can be evil or a scumbag needs to convince me and immerse me first in order to make sense or at least in some way make it justifiable to do something "bad". Cooper doesn't give you a single good reason for it and mc doesn't come out like that kind of degen to do something like that.
It goes even further and would entirely eradicate Camille's (cool) character ... to cheat on cooper with mc after the whole mc/allison fiasco lol
 

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Even full asshole he doesn't strike me as someone to intentionally hurt his friends' relationship especially when one of them is going out of his way to help him save his daughter's life.

The most I can see him doing is jokingly flirting with her that possibly goes awkward/makes things uncomfortable if his asshole score is high or being laughed off as a joke by everyone if he's improving as a person.
Since MC introduced them, there could be a flashback where the MC hooked up with Camille before introducing her to Coop :)
 

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Personally I think a wild drinking party with MC and Alli and Coop and Camille where drinking games end in debauchery would be cool.
 

Maviarab

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Since MC introduced them, there could be a flashback where the MC hooked up with Camille before introducing her to Coop :)
Personally I think a wild drinking party with MC and Alli and Coop and Camille where drinking games end in debauchery would be cool.
Don't you have school exams to be studying for?

There's also this amazing thing called an edit buttom too btw. Saves spamming the thread :WeSmart:
 

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Not gonna lie, anyone that wants to do our boy Cooper dirty like that gotta be some type of idiot irl as well. Any game where you can be evil or a scumbag needs to convince me and immerse me first in order to make sense or at least in some way make it justifiable to do something "bad". Cooper doesn't give you a single good reason for it and mc doesn't come out like that kind of degen to do something like that.
This is the thing people seem to not get. This isn't RL, it's a game, and the entire point of games is to play how you like, within the limitations of game design.

I have no real interest in her myself, but if I were interested in playing the sort of person that would go after her, I should be free to do so.
 
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DivineMachine

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This is the thing people seem to not get. This isn't RL, it's a game, and the entire point of games is to play how you like, within the limitations of game design.

I have no real interest in her myself, but if I were interested in playing the sort of person that would go after her, I should be free to do so.
If "playing that sort of person" would be a thing, I'm sure dev would make a proper context and design characters in a way to support that. The point is, the game is not that and neither MC, Cooper or Camille give you a reason to be such a jackass.

Second, "it's just a game bro" is such a silly argument that I often see not just here, but everywhere. If it's just a game or pixels and nothing matters and doesn't need to make sense, then what's the point of story? Of characters? Of consistency and lore? Why are people complaining "these pixels are not talking the way I want and story isn't interesting" when they rate games? As I said, game needs to be properly written and give you a good reason for every option available to you. Even when you play an evil character, they have their backstory, their mindset, philosophy, reasons to act the way they do. They might still be wrong and evil, but they act accordingly to factors I just listed. So that way, you are given the context, something to work with, so you can roleplay that evil character. Now here in this case, people asking for MC to do that to Cooper and Camille are players IRL projecting themselves and their desires to do something only a complete jackass would want to do. You are not playing a MC that has that wish, you are literally the one that has that wish.

Also, I didn't specifically say it's you who want this - I haven't quoted anyone or tagged anyone after all, but considering how defensive you got and replied to multiple people about it... Well, whatever the case, I don't buy your argument.
 

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What people are failing to understand is in story based VNs like this, the main character isn't a blank slate. He's a character with his own moral compass and motivations and goals, sure you can do some relatively dark shit in this game, but this ain't a VN that you can shape the character exactly in your vision
 

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Also, this type of game says it all: Visual Novel. Even with or without sandbox, puzzles, minigames, whatever, they are at their core NOVELS, written by someone other than you. You live in the world as the MC, but must follow the story and its' development. This isn't GTA, Skyrim, etc, where there's an open world and you can completely ignore the main plot. You are not the MC, you are just living in his head.
 
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